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Jul 29, 2010 8:19:20 GMT -5
Post by daisy_strike on Jul 29, 2010 8:19:20 GMT -5
ooh i like the idea of prime only classes.
Going to steal that one too.
Daisy
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Jul 29, 2010 8:21:55 GMT -5
Post by docclox on Jul 29, 2010 8:21:55 GMT -5
You're more than welcome
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Jul 29, 2010 16:22:44 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Jul 29, 2010 16:22:44 GMT -5
so how bout something like this
Noble Etiquette -overall manners Refinement -overall grace and charm Leadership -ability to lead others
this class cannot be obtained the slave must start with it. also their are no classes it leads into. Was thinking that each 10 skill points this class gets gives a 1% bonus to all the other class skills. So at 100% in this class your other classes are at +30%. the reasoning behind this is that it seems that nobles in anime tend to be better than those around them even if the nobles have had less training.
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Jul 29, 2010 16:33:01 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Jul 29, 2010 16:33:01 GMT -5
also was thinking of having your character (the slave trainer) and possibly your assistant be under the same class system as the slaves. I think it would make it easier in the long run (mostly when combat starts getting developed).
second noticed something in the games and felt it wasn't quite right. it mostly affects happiness and health. but i think the skills should have a limit cap of -100 and 100. then you can increase it past that with items.
another thing is how are skills from the same class tree gonna work. say i have a chef/maid and i have baking at 30 and cooking at 100 do you add them together for 130 at baking or is the baking skill a bonus to making bread based on cooking. ( at 10 skill point making 1% bonus) would consider the cooking skill 103 for making bread. not that important right now but it will have a huge effect on stuff later.
what are your thoughts on those three topics daisy?
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Jul 29, 2010 18:07:37 GMT -5
Post by daisy_strike on Jul 29, 2010 18:07:37 GMT -5
I was thinking more towards having the slave maker able to learn skills from questing. For example to learn how to do bondage, you have to study under Yuki.
Skills should cap at -100 to 100 if there going over or under its a bug.
No idea as of yet but most likely it will look at a combined average. Still working out a lot of those details in my mind.
Daisy
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Jul 30, 2010 13:37:42 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Jul 30, 2010 13:37:42 GMT -5
no class today but an idea about a job. I know you said you where having some difficulties with them daisy. and without starting a new post for jobs this seemed to be the place to put them.
class Maid
job service description: have one of the stay at home and train her actions be to have her serve you tea or whatnot, then with enough skill you can start inviting guests over. this may help for the powerful ending. another thing is you probably need something like a parlor room upgrade to start inviting guests over.
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Aug 1, 2010 14:23:52 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Aug 1, 2010 14:23:52 GMT -5
is there another way to get maid besides the present in the beginning or starting with it?
and what is up with the princess starting as a maid. I understand the musician class, but why not musician and artist?
also when its said and done I would make the current trigger for house pet that of maid and make house trigger from walking around town and seeing a couple cat, dog,or bunny girls.
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Aug 1, 2010 17:55:42 GMT -5
Post by daisy_strike on Aug 1, 2010 17:55:42 GMT -5
Your slaves should now be able to learn maid by cleaning the house. And yes the princess won't be maid class starting out i just never fixed that.
I still am trying to get basic functionality up and running before I add a ton of events.
Daisy
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Aug 2, 2010 14:28:42 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Aug 2, 2010 14:28:42 GMT -5
yeah got maid and whore to trigger do those seem fine. so I resend my statement about switching the maid trigger.
was wondering about the class slots are you planning on only keeping 2 and overriding the lower when you advance up a tree, or are you gonna make more slots?
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Aug 3, 2010 14:02:12 GMT -5
Post by swordwind on Aug 3, 2010 14:02:12 GMT -5
This is A streamlined Version of all of flagnine1's suggestions. My notes and suggestions will be at the end. 'Basic' classes have no class prerequisites, 'Advanced' do.
~Combat~
Basic~
Warrior - Weapons, Armor, Shields Rogue - Slight of Hand, Acrobatics, Agility
Advanced~
Knight (from warrior) Dragoon (from Knight)
Samurai (from warrior) Iajutsu master/Shinigami (from Samurai)
Martial Artist (From Warrior) Seifu (from Martial Artist)
Hunter (from warrior) Ranger (from hunter)
Dervish (from warrior) Immortal (from Dervish)
Thief (from Rogue) Master Thief (from Thief)
Archer (From Rogue) Sniper (From Archer)
Tomb Robber (From Rogue)
Fencer (from Rogue) Duelist (from Rogue)
Ninja (from warrior, Rogue) Kunoichi (from Ninja) Master Ninja (From Ninja)
Assassin (Warrior, Rogue)
Body Guard (Warrior, Maid)
Gunslinger (From Rogue, Alchemist) Dead Eye (From Gunslinger)
Cat Burglar (From Rogue, House Pet - Cat)
~Magic~
Basic~
Mage - Magic Power, Intelligence, Arcane Theory Alchemist - Potions, Elixirs, Transmutations Acolyte - Light, Dark, Faith *This class is mutually exclusive with mage
Advanced~
Fire Mage (from Mage) Water Mage (from Mage) Air Mage (from Mage) Earth Mage (from Mage) Pyromancer (from Fire Mage) Aquamancer (from Water Mage) Aeromancer (from Air Mage) Geomancer (from Earth Mage)
Lustmage (from Mage, Sex Slave) Fylomancer (from Lustmage)
Witch (from Mage, Alchemist) - Hexes, Curses, Drafts Coven Mistress (from Witch)
Cleric (From light aligned Acolytes) Priest (From Cleric) Necromancer (From dark aligned Acolytes) Necrolord (from Necromancer)
Paladin (From Warrior, Light aligned acolytes) - Sword, Block, Holy Crusader (from Paladin) Black/Death Knight (from warrior, dark aligned acolytes) - Sword, Block, unholy Power God Slayer (from Black Knight)
~Utility~ Basic~
s & M Pet - Whipping, Tying, Humiliation Farm Pet - Cow Mimicry, Horse Mimicry, Pig Mimicry
Advanced~
Dominatrix (from initiating many acts as S & M Pet) Dom Queen (From Dominatrix) Subservient (from receiving many acts as S & M Pet) Sex Pet (from Subservient)
Noble * May not be obtained - Etiquette, Refinement, leadership
Notes: Most noticeably, some of these classes are adorned with names far too prestigious or simply unsuited for a slave. The specific problem is written in parenthesis. My suggestions:
Knight (Associated with Nobility & extreme wealth)--->Halberdier, Soldier (Ironically, this class promotes to Dragoon, which is perfectly acceptable) Samurai (An Eastern Knight, with the same associations)---> Spellsword Iajutsu Master is preferable to Shinigami Immortal (using the name of one specific Unit in history is strange)---> Berserker Body Guard (Too general for a specific class; any combat class could be a body guard)--> Shieldbearer Priest -->Priestess, Miko (Eastern Male equivalent: Onmyouji) Necrolord (Too powerful) --> Veteran Necromancer, Summoner Paladin (See Knight) -> Witchunter, Onikiri (Crusader is actually acceptable, but Veteran/Revered Witchunter/Onikiri may make more sense) Black Knight (See Knight) --> Cultist God Slayer--> Veteran/Depraved Cultist
I also recomending Dropping Fire, Water, Air, and Earth Mages for 'Elementalist,' who would have The three skills in Either Fire, Water, Air, or Earth Mastery (meaning you would have to drop an element). You can still specialize into the Pyromancer and whatnot, but the rest of the process is greatly streamlined.
I disagree with the Idea of a noble class. It doesn't make sense.
I'm hesitant over the idea of gunslinger & deadeye classes (and guns in general).
If you have classes that promote into classes that will be using similar skills (I.E. A swordfighter to a swordmaster), then you may want to use the Sword Mastery 1, Sword Mastery 2 System. This way, the training can be similar without being redundant.
TL;DR You should really read it. Great work, Flag.
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Aug 3, 2010 14:50:28 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Aug 3, 2010 14:50:28 GMT -5
I made some of the class names grandiose because I was figuring your character would be under a similar class system.
I agree with switching knight to soldier. It makes more sense to the description. but I would like to keep Paladin and Black Knight as is or similar as they are based off of D&D style more than historical.
I also like the change to Mage class as it would streamline that tree. Changing necromancer to cultist I also agree with.
The Body Guard class is based on the katana wielding maids you see in anime notably HanaUkiyo Maids (think that's spelled right) and can't figure out another name for it.
the nobility class is meant for like the princesses and maybe a couple of random slaves that should be rarer than primes. and probably a prime only ability.
I kinda threw gunslinger in there as a nod to final fantasy the hard part would be separating it from archer and hunter.
And the Samurai is more of a Ronin style where as anyone who can get a katana and bluff a history can basically call them selves a samurai.
The priest was actually meant to be priestess/miko. and as for Immortal I needed an upgrade class and like you said the berserker but it doesn't really fit as it has been made famous by Celts and Vikings.
The one I'm having a problem with is separating ninja from assassin besides the quests to get them. Was thinking that ninja might be a little more range heavy.
Also If anyone has any ideas for skills, quests, backgrounds for any of the classes feel free to flesh a class out. I will soon go thru all my rpg books and make a huge list of skills.
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Aug 3, 2010 15:28:12 GMT -5
Post by Amoeba on Aug 3, 2010 15:28:12 GMT -5
The PC with those clas-wait. Is the PC a prime? Thinking about it, I suppose that's probably the case, but that's some important information...
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Aug 3, 2010 15:52:42 GMT -5
Post by flagnine1 on Aug 3, 2010 15:52:42 GMT -5
I would hope that your character is a prime. also figuring epic girls are primes as well. tho it might be funny to accidentally turn your character into a pig slave.
another quick idea would be to have non-prime girls only be able to have the 2 class trees that fit on the main screen. while primes get another page to have a total of 7 class trees.
also what does TL;Dr stand for sword, so I can go read it.
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Aug 3, 2010 16:17:42 GMT -5
Post by swordwind on Aug 3, 2010 16:17:42 GMT -5
Revised List 1 (from what Flag consented to)
~Combat~
Basic~
Warrior - Weapons, Armor, Shields Rogue - Slight of Hand, Acrobatics, Agility
Advanced~
Soldier(from Warrior) Dragoon (from Soldier)
Samurai (from Warrior) Iajutsu Master(from Samurai)
Martial Artist (From Warrior) Seifu (from Martial Artist)
Hunter (from Warrior) Ranger (from Hunter)
Dervish (from Warrior) Immortal (from Dervish)
Thief (from Rogue) Master Thief (from Thief)
Archer (From Rogue) Sniper (From Archer)
Tomb Robber (From Rogue)
Fencer (from Rogue) Duelist (from Rogue)
Ninja (from Warrior, Rogue) Kunoichi (from Ninja) Master Ninja (From Ninja)
Assassin (Warrior, Rogue)
Body Guard (Warrior, Maid)
Gunslinger (From Rogue, Alchemist) Dead Eye (From Gunslinger)
Cat Burglar (From Rogue, House Pet - Cat)
~Magic~
Basic~
Mage - Magic Power, Intelligence, Arcane Theory Alchemist - Potions, Elixirs, Transmutations Acolyte - Light, Dark, Faith *This class is mutually exclusive with mage
Advanced~
Elementalist - Fire Magic, Water Magic, Earth Magic Pyromancer (from Elementalist) Aquamancer (from Elementalist) Geomancer (from Elementalist)
Lustmage (from Mage, Sex Slave) Fylomancer (from Lustmage)
Witch (from Mage, Alchemist) - Hexes, Curses, Drafts Coven Mistress (from Witch)
Cleric (From light aligned Acolytes) Priestess/Miko, (From Cleric) Males - Priest, On Cultist (From dark aligned Acolytes) Depraved Cultist (from Cultist)
Paladin (From Warrior, Light aligned acolytes) - Sword, Block, Holy Crusader (from Paladin) Black Knight (from warrior, dark aligned acolytes) - Sword, Block, unholy Power God Slayer (from Black Knight)
~Utility~ Basic~
S & M Pet - Whipping, Tying, Humiliation Farm Pet - Cow Mimicry, Horse Mimicry, Pig Mimicry
Advanced~
Dominatrix (from initiating many acts as S & M Pet) Dom Queen (From Dominatrix) Subservient (from receiving many acts as S & M Pet) Sex Pet (from Subservient)
Noble * May not be obtained - Etiquette, Refinement, leadership
Suggestions
I can accept the homage as a reasoning for class names. We really ought to do something about "God Slayer," though. How about Black Knight---> Sanctimonious Knight God Slayer--> Black Knight
Maybe God Slayer can be a prime-restricted class, after the new Black Knight (with a Godhand Holy Counterpart, Dragonwarrior VII reference)
I can accept the restricted Noble idea. However, it should probably be renamed to Noble Heir/Former Noble/Something related to the court. Being a slave and being a noble are generally mutually exclusive.
Rename the Rogue's "Slight of Hand" to 'Deceit.'
Rename Subservient Class (As "Subservient" is an adjective)--> Subservient Slave/Submissive Slave/Masochist
I disagree with the assertion that Samurai were not members of a respected social class. However, said class was much more open than the western Knight, So I'm more tolerant of a Samurai class.
I think there are better ways to pay respect to Final Fantasy than gun classes, to be honest.
So you would prefer that the Dervish promotes to a middle eastern class (from where the dervish originates?)
I think you can give the Ninja more utility (poisons, stealth) and the Assassin more combat prowess, if you want to separate them.
The Kunoichi should probably have a Sex Slave Prerequisite in addition to the Ninja requirement.
Give me some time on the Sword Maid. I'll think of something.
TL;DR stands for 'Too Long, Didn't Read [it].' On most boards, people post summaries if their message is too long. I was saying that this info would be difficult to summarize.
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Aug 3, 2010 16:39:44 GMT -5
Post by slackerfuu on Aug 3, 2010 16:39:44 GMT -5
About the assassin/ninja thing. Skill wise, assassins should probly have more damage heavy skills and ninja should have more status inducing/stealthy ones. In my head the main difference is: ninja were primarily spies. They were trained to kill and to kill efficiently, but that wasn't all they were used for. Also pretty sure they had more 'tricks up their sleeves' item-wise. (For reference, if needed, most of my info on ninja comes from the Tenchu games and the manga Hanzou no Mon [http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=4978]) But yeah, the main difference would be in the quests they get.
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