Prime slave character development

[redcape]

I think primes and natives needed to have some sort of character development. Something like a special event or background story or a story path that led to special ending for the slaves (not sold in auction, maybe you can help her return to her world by a chain of event and fulfillilling certain stats, obtaining quest items, etc.)

What do you guys think?

[lonewolf]

Good idea but I dont want my slave to go after i trained her lol Meh who would want an unbroken one and do it all over again. Hmm I DO ;D

but I was also thinking of something similiar but what brought them to be at the slavers hands to be auctioned of in the first place. It doesn't need to be huge but just a piece of what brought her to be in this present place in time under the hands of the auctioner. Even if it was only a few lines just something to tie you into there personalities.

EG. a warrior background or noble class knowing this you might want to turn her into sometype of farm animal as a form of humilation

[tf]

But... IF you could train a Prime up and get her to fall in love with you, and IF you could find a way to send her home, THEN you could send her back to her world to bring another Prime girl back to you.

[docclox]

Hmmm... sounds more like a quest for a specific girl, than a general mechanism.

Also, I think I'd sooner do this the other way around. Take a non-prime slavegirl, give her special training, and use her to substitute for the prime version when we abduct her from her native dimension. That way we don't have to worry about her (possibly absurdly powerful) friends coming looking for her.

And while we do have to start over, we're at least starting over with the prime verson.

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Incidentally, if we train the prime version of a girl, is that training reflected at all in any non-primes that subsequently turn up? It would explain why the primes were so valuable

[azrail]

I like the idea of unlocking and/or obtaining primes by doing quests. Could have it so a one of a kind slave Prime can only be obtained by doing some sort of quest.

[tantor]

Oct 27, 2010 2:45:09 GMT -5 docclox said:

Incidentally, if we train the prime version of a girl, is that training reflected at all in any non-primes that subsequently turn up? It would explain why the primes were so valuable

From what I understand from a different discussion (can't remember where tho) Primes are not the original, just perfect copies, so I don't see them effecting other copies. Even if they were the original why would them changing effect a non-perfect copy of themselves.

[docclox]

Dec 3, 2010 8:22:55 GMT -5 tantor said:

From what I understand from a different discussion (can't remember where tho) Primes are not the original, just perfect copies,

I thought primes were the original. Maybe I misunderstood

Dec 3, 2010 8:22:55 GMT -5 tantor said:

Even if they were the original why would them changing effect a non-perfect copy of themselves.

If you change the object that casts the shadow, do you not expect the shadows to also change?

In a hard-sf setting, I'd agree. But this (as I understand it) is primarily a magical realm. Common sense rules need not always apply.

But the most important reason is this: it could be fun! This is a game first and sim second. And while that doesn't mean we can abandon cause-and-effect entirely, there's a good case for working out what we want to happen first, and devising the justification to fit the desired mechanism.

All that said, I'm not arguing pro- or con- here. I was just asking the question.

[daisy_strike]

Primes are the original copy.

Non-Prime are branching copies. But lets think about this a little more. Some of this is going to be spoilers so I've warned you.

Spherians are a multi-dimensional species. One of the first problems they had was meeting there own braching copies. IE Mommy would go off to work in another dimension and 2 mommies would come back home from work. Such divergences created huge problems, for I think obvious reasons as both were as far as they were concerned the original coming home. So with out going into details the Spherians figured out a way to stop divergence copys when doing dimensional transport. Then they got a little crazy with it and using the same principal actually created a system where there is but 1 of them in the entire multiverse. (Of course there were copies up until that point but for this discussion we will ignore the treaties and such that were made and the non-interference dimensional structures.)

So what this wall of text means is that the second anyone steps onto Otherworld they stop making copies. If a prime steps into Otherworld what she learns is not passed onto the other copies because she stopped making them. Of course this could open up a whole new can of worms... does the multiverse create a second prime of the girl who is not dimensionally locked... one wonders.

Daisy

[samu]

Dec 3, 2010 17:32:31 GMT -5 daisy_strike said:

the second anyone steps onto Otherworld they stop making copies.

This statemet could pose an interesting effect. If a prime becomes a resident in otherworld then there wont be endless copies of that prime anymore, and then there should be a point in where there aren't anymore copies of that "otherworld resident prime". (so basically, keeping a prime for an extended period of time without releasing her could put the income of the copies at risk (assuming copies will stat to be made again once she leave otherworld, otherwise we're screwed.)).

[daisy_strike]

Actually think about it for a second more and while the prime stopped making copies that doesn't mean the copies can't make copies. Just because you prune the main trunk of the tree doesnt mean the branches that are left over cant make there own branches.

Daisy

[docclox]

Dec 3, 2010 19:50:09 GMT -5 daisy_strike said:

Actually think about it for a second more and while the prime stopped making copies that doesn't mean the copies can't make copies. Just because you prune the main trunk of the tree doesnt mean the branches that are left over cant make there own branches.

So that would make them ... sub-prime? (sorry couldn't resist)

Seriously, I do think that if there are going to be second primes, that should probably be strictly main quest stuff, and pretty rare even then. Otherwise you devalue the "prime" concept, and make primes that much less special.

[daisy_strike]

Seriously, I do think that if there are going to be second primes, that should probably be strictly main quest stuff, and pretty rare even then. Otherwise you devalue the "prime" concept, and make primes that much less special.

I agree completely but I think an awesome quest would be that you own a prime and here that a cult has another exact same prime. Battle through the cult, primes meet and the universe explodes, very ta'veran type stuff.

Daisy

[alucardnoir]

Interestingly enough the first time I played this game I thought of Terry Pratchett's Rincewind, although I can see how primes could influence the lives of dose around them ala Wheel of time, although for the sake of otherworld staying an open-ended game I think primes should only influence their copies.

As for "sub-primes", their not really necessary, think of it like this: you have the prime one and then you have first gen copies, these make second gen copies and so on, but the prime still is the original model, the unaltered copy. What is actually interesting here is what happens if the prime has certain classes and the first gen have other classes - dose it mean the second gen are going to have the same classes as the prime or will they be copies of the first gen? Basically if the answer is same classes as the prime there are no "sub-primes" if the answer is the other possibility then we might have to deal with "sub-primes", it's only a matter of magic/science, if at any given point in the future daisy decides to give the player the possibility to create a slave clone we have 3 actually interesting possibilities on our hands:
1. the new slave has the same stats as the prime the moment the first gen from witch it spawns had
2. the new slave has the stats of the slave it reproduces - and we get to sub-primes
2. the new slave has the stats of the prime at this moment (presuming the slave were using as basis is the prime)

This is all of course speculation but it dose seam plausible the spherian would have the know how to do it.