New stat and game mechanic + other suggestions

[dutchess69]

Dear daisy_strike,

First of all, I would like to thank you for all your efforts!

I want to make following suggestions:

First of all, slaves with negative happines should be very rebellious, and should try to hinder slavers attempts to train her. For example this is where locked items should shine!

Traits/Special Effects:

My Face is Here!
Slave don't like any sexual attention to her breasts - and the bigger they are, the more she hates this attention. Sex acts focusing her breasts - fondling and titfuck for example decrease her happines, increase her humiliation. 'A' breasts reduce effect by 50%. 'B' breasts reduce effect by 25%. 'C' breasts do not modify effects. 'D' breasts increase effects by 20%. 'DD' breasts increase effects by 40%. 'E' breasts increase effects by 60%. 'F'+ breasts increase effects by 100%!!!

My Boobs are not OK!
Can only be 'aquired' at startup or during breast expansion encounter or effect. Slave hates her boobs. She thinks that they make her look like whore, they get in the way, they are heavy and she has back pains... This trait includes all effects from 'My Face is Here!' trait with following additions: she gets additional humiliation from clothes that reveal or even provide additional focus on her breasts, she experience random penalties during combat (i.e. her breasts may randomly hinder her). The only way to get rid of this trait (only temporary) is to increase slave's sanity to 90+.

I'm not suck-whore!
Slave don't like to participate in oral activities. Moreover, she don't like a taste of cum. Sex acts that involve her in oral activities - sucking penis or dildo/strapon decrease her happines, increase her humiliation, and if it involves cumshot or sperm drinking - all effects are increased by 100%!!!

Unwilling masochist
Slave has a very strange and perverted reaction to humiliation and pain - she still hates it on logical level, but crave it on physical level (for example she will continue to resist rape, scream when being whipped - but her body will like this, and she will have multiple orgasms from such activities). Every action, that increase humiliation or reduce happines - increase her lust and nymphomania. If she has 70+ lust, than she will have very powerful orgasm, that decrease her lust to 70, greatly increase her nymphomania, reduce her sanity.

Cumslut
Slave has a serious 'insanity' - she can't live without sperm and cocks. She has to do blowjobs or titfucks if her lust is more than X - these activities reduce her lust, increase nymphomania, sanity and health. If she dosn't perform these activities - her health and sanity begin to decrease. 'X' is based on nymphomania and sanity.
X = 100 - (nymphomania/1,5)-((0-sanity)/3)
So, for a example slave with nymphomania 100 and sanity -100 will have 'lust threshold' at 100-100/1,5-100/3=100-67-33=0
Warning! As you can see, it should be totally possible to slave to be locked in nearly never-ending cycle of blowjobs/titfucking in order not to lose health and sanity. This will make good plot hooks for special quests.


Humiliation/Shame
New stat, that will determine amount of humilitation that a slave has endured and how shameful she feels. It is measured from 0 to 100.

Increases:
Going nude in public (minor increase per walk), wearing humiliating outfits (varied; moderate increase per day), having some sex acts (based on personality, special effects, statuses, etc.), etc.

Decreases:
Slowly decreases over time

How it affects game:
1. Slightly decreases combat stats based on amount of humiliation/shame
2. All actions that require obedience has ((shame - 50) / 2) + (obedience required / 5)% chance to reduce happiness of slave, slightly reduce sanity + have a 1-3% chance to permanently grant one of the following based on circumstances and stats:

Unwilling Masochist, if her happiness is less than 0. +1% per 10 points below 0.
I'm not suck-whore, if her happiness is less than 10 and recent action was about oral sex.
My Face is Here!, if her happiness is less than 10 and recent action was breasts-focused
Cumslut, if her happiness and humiliation is more than 95, and recent action was about blowjob or titfuck

3. Should have an impact on some quests and encounters. For example slave with high humiliation should have a chance to be raped by an NPC (instead of normal interaction)


New items:

Name "Boots with Fetish Heels"
Description "A footwear that raises the heel of the wearer's foot to extreme levels. Very uncomfortable to wear, and very hard to walk in"
slot 1 0
slot 2 0
slot 3 0
slot 4 0
slot 5 0
slot 7 1
Can be worn in more then one slot false
value 200
rarity uncommon
stat:
4, 20, 0, 0,
5, 0, -10, 0

Lock: Requires blacksmith to put on or remove

Special Effects: Slave has VERY small chance to run away from negative encounter. Increase humiliation by 0,5 per day.


Name "Humiliating Corset"
Description "Ultra-tight lockable corset, that includes push up cups, that normally cover only lower half of breast, but with tremendous efforts slave can stuff her breasts so, that they will cover nipples"
slot 1 0
slot 2 0
slot 3 0
slot 4 0
slot 5 0
slot 11 1
Can be worn in more then one slot false
value 300
rarity uncommon
stat:
-2, 10, 0, 0
4, 20, 0, -20
5, -10, 10, 0

Lock: Requires blacksmith to put on or remove

Special Effects: Increase humiliation by 0,5 per day. If sanity is below 75 and she has My Face is Here!, than additional +0,5 humiliation per day as she desperately tries to keep her breasts covered


Name "Tight Harness"
Description "Ultra-tight straps of leather and chain, that don't cover breasts or crotch viciously cut into the body and constantly arouse the wearer. "
slot 1 0
slot 2 0
slot 3 0
slot 4 0
slot 5 0
slot 11 1
Can be worn in more then one slot false
value 400
rarity uncommon
stat:
-1, 0, -10, 0
-2, 0, 20, 0
5, 0, -5, 0

Lock: Requires blacksmith to put on or remove

Special Effects: Increase humiliation by 0,5 per day. Increase Lust by +1 per day. Gives +30 to Defence (or Dodge) versus Males.




One question - will there be a possibility in future to increase the role of player character? (not slaves I mean).
If so, are you intrested in adding more non-consensual content for female or futa characters?

Please, excuse me for my english, I'm from Hungary, and English is not my native.

[daisy_strike]

A lot of these I rather like, but would have to implement as an effect. Adding a new stat is just not feasable. I have plans to add items like those into the game as soon as I get some images. They definitly run towards my fetishes as well.

Daisy

[flagnine1]

A slight modification to the current nymphomania stat would make it run similar to the suggested humiliation stat. Maybe something like have most of the girls start at negative nymphomania to show that they are against any kind of humiliating or degrading act (such as walking around with no clothes on). She of course still has to do said act, but she takes a happiness hit for doing so.

An extremely high nymphomania will make her an exhibitionist or a cumslut, while an extremely low nymphomania will give her the prudish traits that dutchess mentioned.

This would also help to make nymphomania a more active stat as it seems it is only effected by one item and doesn't effect anything else in the game.

Also welcome to the forums Dutchess, and I couldn't find anything wrong with your English.

[dutchess69]

flagnine1, thank you for your compliment to my english

Regarding nymphomania... If there is no possible way to add new stat, then your solution is quite good.

Though I would recommend against using nymphomania stat as a stat that represents eagerness of slave to be humiliated, etc.

However, on the same time we should not forget, that it's not real life representation game (in real life, rape is HORRIBLE thing) - but a hentai, and my perception of hentai genre gives me the following ideas:

No women (except for Totally Broken or Willing Masochist) like being humiliated, raped or something like that on psychological level.

If a slave somehow has a high happiness and high nymphomania - it means that she is happy with this, after all, and should not have reduction to happiness (or it should be much lower) for degrading or humiliating acts.

If a slave somehow has low happiness and high nymphomania - it means that she hates being humiliated on psychological level, but her body like it. Degrading or humiliating acts should decrease her happiness and increase nymphomania and eventually she will become pervert (Unwilling Masochist) or rebel (My Face is Here! or I'm not suck-whore!). In case of rebel it should be noted, that it is NOT bad status/condition - as there will be no humiliation stat - then she should gain nymphomania and lose sanity for actions, that she hates to perform. And after all, it's hentai - the more she screams, the more pleasure for the master

That is why, I asked about extending role of mistress/master in the game. After all, I'm big fan of RPG games.
For example (I will talk mostly about female and to some extent futa player character) - there could be stats for player character. For example:

Combat Skills (will be used during quests, to fight slaves if they try to escape)
Sex Skills (will be used in slaves training, maybe will unlock some special actions... and may be used in quests)
Social (social skill combined. should be heavily used in quests)
Reputation (self-explanatory)
Health (self-explanatory)
Lust (self-explanatory)
Mood (this one will have impact on all abilities. After all depressed character has less motivation to do anything.)

Special MINOR stat:
Breast Size
A, B, C, D, DD, E, F, G, H - because I can tell you, guys, that simple metrics don't define the size only difference between metrics on breasts and below breasts - so-called cup size. During creation you can choose cup size from A to DD. (disclaimer - bonuses and penalties below are rated from 1 to 10 - it is purely abstract, but should allow to get more than 100 in stat)

A cup: grants +2 to Social, -2 to Reputation, as character is percieved as very young girl. Mood always increase 20% faster as she is very... how to say... Easy on the rise... No titfuck action possible
B cup: I would prefer very minor effect (good and bad) but it may not have game effect. No titfuck action possible
C cup: I would prefer very minor effect (good and bad) but it may not have game effect.
D cup: I would prefer very minor effect (good and bad) but it may not have game effect.
DD cup: grants +2 Social vs Males, increase profit from sexual activities by 20%. +1 Health. Wearing revealing clothes increase Lust
E cup: grants +3 Social vs Males, Profit +40%, +2 Health, Revealing clothes increase Lust and have minor chance of wardrobe malfunction in combat or other encounter - may lead to increase of Lust, rape encounter, etc.; Reduce defense in combat by -1.
F cup: grants +3 Social vs Males, Profit +60%, +3 Health, Revealing clothes increase Lust and have chance of wardrobe malfunction in combat or other encounter - may lead to increase of Lust, rape encounter, etc.; Reduce defense in combat by -2
G cup: grants +3 Social vs Males, Profit +80%, +4 Health, Revealing clothes greatly increase Lust and have moderate chance of wardrobe malfunction in combat or other encounter - may lead to increase of Lust, rape encounter, etc.; Reduce defense in combat by -3
H cup: grants +3 Social vs Males, Profit +100%, +4 Health, Revealing clothes greatly increase Lust and have high chance of wardrobe malfunction in combat or other encounter - may lead to increase of Lust, rape encounter, etc.; Reduce defense in combat by -4

Other effects also can be included to Breast Size - for example if more detailed sex acts will be included for character, so titfuck should become more efficient for characters with bigger breasts.
And I don't know about hentai world, but in real world it is rather difficult to find bras for DD+ breasts.

Why all this should be included? I personally think, that it will increase re-playability - after all now we only can but new slaves, and sell them - no experience, no improvement, no special hindrances that we have to overcome...

And there will be some special Traits for player character that can be obtained via encounters, actions etc. (again as I'm personally more interested in playing female character, so no offense):

Extraordinary Beauty
Character has been blessed by nymph or demoness and is very, very beautiful, and she can use it for her advantage. At the first round of combat male opponents skip their turn, as they simply can't force themselves to hurt such beauty. Also player have a permanent bonus to Social skill


Sadist
Character like to dominate and inflict pain to others. She increase her Mood and greatly decrease her Lust for all actions that involve reduction of happiness to victim.
Can be gained as a special training, or if continuously perform degrading acts to her slaves.


Masochist
Character has become a masochist and can get pleasure only by being dominated, raped or humiliated. Her Lust increases by +2 per day. The only way to reduce Lust:
1. Let slave dominate her. Though this action has % based on happiness of slave (never 0%!!!) that slave will use this opportunity to permanently switch roles - possible bad ending - but I wound prefer to make a quest to regain control.
2. Whore herself in red-light district. It will reduce Reputation and Mood and possibly reduce Health.
3. Wear humiliating clothing. It should reduce combat effectiveness, reduce Mood and slightly reduce Reputation over time.

This is mostly negative trait and maybe should have means to be removed. It is gained randomly (has a %) only via rape encounters (i.e. lost combat) or something like this.
HOWEVER, after some time (i.e. 30+ days) with this trait character will get opportunity to recieve special training and I don't know... get special class, that will grant ability to reduce damage recieved in combat based on Lust.

There could be much more traits - all should be recieved for some special achievements, encounters or as a punishment for failure.

Sorry for a lot of text - I try to write all my ideas, cause I tend to forget them ;D

[daisy_strike]

Rather like the idea of special effects based on breast size.

as for

Combat Skills (will be used during quests, to fight slaves if they try to escape)
Sex Skills (will be used in slaves training, maybe will unlock some special actions... and may be used in quests)
Social (social skill combined. should be heavily used in quests)
Reputation (self-explanatory)
Health (self-explanatory)
Lust (self-explanatory)
Mood

First off most people have no combat ability it is a learned skill and I don't think one that should be defaulted. 90% of the population has no combat skill what so ever. Though some could maybe fire a gun in the right direction, I don't even consider that a combat ability.

Social and Reputation could be useful for natives as a special hidden stat. Otherwise is more a skill for classes like Coutesian and Actress.

Health already in place

Lust already in place.

Mood we have sanity and effects which I think in the long run will give us better combinations. Happy + insane. Suicidal + insane. sane + suicidal. sane + happy. As we grow effects we will get a huge number of combinations. At least that is my hope.

Well thought out ideas dutchess,

Daisy

[dutchess69]

Hmmm... all those skills and stats were not for Slavegirls - but for Player Character

[daisy_strike]

I'm an idiot. I still haven't decided on slave maker stats though those are great suggestions.

Daisy

[flagnine1]

Sorry about misleading you dutchess I can have a hard time fully explaining my thoughts sometimes. So bear with me.

The minus happiness during humiliating acts is usually only when she has a low nymphomania (0 or less). However she might still lose happiness if the act is extremely humiliating (such as defecating in public, but I don't know if daisy will consider that scat or not). Pretty much past 50 nymphomania the slave will consider most acts normal and not lose happiness for doing them.

Player character stuff was what I was gonna start pushing for next month. Look for it.

Anyway Daisy I think that all the slaves should have reputation in one form or another. This can help to build your reputation as a trainer or what not. Kinda thought that was what the brands were about. Basically you become famous because one of your slaves becomes a famous artist, or wins a big ponygirl race.

[dutchess69]

flagnine1, I understand your point but...

If every slave past 50 nymphomania become quite happy with any action that you do to her - then what is the point of 'Breaking' the slave?
So assume a proud noblewoman that become a slave. Her mistress forces her to wear humiliating bondage outfit and rape her with her male assistants. She will gain a lot of nymphomania from those acts - and as soon as she attains 50+ she stop being offended by those actions? I think not. Yes, her body will get used to such things and will crave for sex - but her mind!

Another example - slave recieve a nymph's curse - she becomes nymphomaniac (100 score) - but do you think that she will prefer that 6 men rape her or that her lover fuck her to satisfaction? I think that it is wrong to combine psychology and physiology.

For example, I want to play very very evil and cruel mistress.
She don't want to mind break her slaves - she wants her slave to suffer, she is sadist, and she delights in suffering of others. But how can a slave truly suffer, if she don't mind if she is being used as cum bucket for 20 men? Totally mind broken - yes, but I think that even nymphomaniac still have a sense of pride and 'honor'.

I propose that there will be status 'Broken' and it will mean that slave is now totally submissive and likes everything that she has to do. Until then, I think that it is natural for them to resist.

P.S. ONE exception to this as I said earlier. If Slavemaker manages to get both happinnes and nymphomania positive (happiness at least 50+) then we can assume that overall slave likes her 'new home' at will get reduced (or no) decrease to happiness for humiliating tasks. It will be difficult I think, but it will be a challenge. After all, I personally think that it is very difficult to train a slave (that was forced to slavery) and keep her happy with this. After mind break - sure, but not before.

[flagnine1]

I am gonna disagree with you. Humans are very adaptable creatures, and if you keep having the noble woman get raped by 20+ men then it will become normal to her. Thus the lack of drop of in happiness after a certain point. After that she will gain either the cumbucket status where she will enjoy being gang raped or some other status effect. But some acts might be so depraved that the slave may not get used to them.

I think that at some point the slave will also be unable to get satisfaction from her lover and have to turn to being gang raped to be able to get satisfaction. To have nymphomania at 100 would mean she willing to do any act that even remotely involves sexual pleasure. This is including extreme acts like guro, scat, beastiality, and becoming furniture or animals.

To do what your talking about is easy put an item in the game that allows for a lowering of nymphomania. The brand system can already do this. This way you can keep doing humiliating things to them and they will suffer for doing them. This however may lead to its own psychological problems. Masochism, depression, attempted suicide, or attempted escape.

Anyway if you want to see some of what I am talking about in action watch a hentai called Bondage Game. It's 2 episodes and does contain some guro.

[docclox]

Daisy, what's the problem with more stats? Is it purely a question of screen space?

If so, you could make it a stat that only kicked in at 100% lust. So if she got to 100%, then there's a chance the humiliation stat will manifest. If it does, she stays at 100% nymph while humiliation > 0.

You could do this with any stat, really. That said, by all means Keep It Simple.

[daisy_strike]

Yah its mainly screen size. I want a graphical representative to stats and not numbers, which I think most people agree is faster to read and easier to find the one you want.

Daisy

[slackerfuu]

worst case: you have a button on the slave's status screen that says 'skills' or something that brings you to another page with all the skills she knows. might wanna do that anyway if you want it to be a graph. give you more space, and you can overlap/remove the girl's pic on that page. also: with more space available: more stats. 'course, i don't know what you'd put where the skills currently are.

about the hates her boobs effect: another way to get rid of it: her happiness and love are very high (>90 each) and the player praises/makes her feel good about her boobs till eventually she accepts them. would take awhile and maybe be sorta questlike in how it's done: certain choices appear after a while, might involve a new variable too (to measure how accepting she is of her boobies).

[docclox]

Oct 29, 2010 17:07:20 GMT -5 slackerfuu said:

worst case: you have a button on the slave's status screen that says 'skills' or something that brings you to another page with all the skills she knows. might wanna do that anyway if you want it to be a graph.

Well, we do have three buttons at the top anyway. We could move "welfare" and "slave" to the stats tab, and free up four groups of three - more if we send combat skills to the combat tab.

That said, it's all to easy to overcomplicate a design with too many stats and skills